Post by Squirrelstar and Stickfur on Dec 21, 2007 16:13:40 GMT -5
Just curious on who your favorite Warriors Villain is... Sorry if I forgot somecat, but these appear to be the main villains throughout IMO. Besides Twolegs, but they don't count. Anyway, beware Squirrelly's friggin' long rant of DOOM.
Tigerstar
Tigerstar gets my vote, definitely. He's just so evil. You just have to loathe him for all the things that he's done. <3 I mean, you have him introduced as this big, powerful, well respected deputy of ThunderClan (well, not deputy at first, but... you get the idea). Sure he comes across as being a jerk sometimes, but every cat just shrugs it off as being a personality trait because he's so well respected. Every cat except for Ravenpaw, Fireheart, and Graystripe, at least. He literally had every one fooled. It took a lot of evidence for Fireheart to finally exploit Tigerclaw for what he was; an evil cat who wanted to rule the forest more than anything, and was willing to connive and kill until he got there. And that's exactly what he did. He killed Redtail, tried to kill Ravenpaw for seeing him do it, tried to kill Bluestar and instead crippled Cinderpaw, murdered Runningwind, attempted assassination of Fireheart on different occasions, etc. etc. He was smart, clever, full of ingenuity, and made basically the whole of ThunderClan fear him. Once he became leader of ShadowClan, he even was able to act like a courteous, responsible leader for awhile, and again fooled everyone that his ambition went nothing beyond his desire to be Clan leader. At least for a little while. I doubt we will see a better villain than him. <333
Scourge
I'll admit, Scourge was creepy, and a decent villain, but still not comparable to Tigerclaw/star. He was bloodthirsty and marauding and all, and he DID take all of Tigerstar's nine lives away from him, which really gave me some respect for him. He is my second choice. But in the end, he wasn't in the forest for long enough, and his character wasn't as intriguing as I found Tigerclaw's to have been. Sorry, dude.
Darkstripe
I honestly don't know why I included him, but on another forum, I read that a lot of people consider Darkstripe to be one of the more formidable villains. I will have to disagree. Darkstripe is nothing but a simple crony to Tigerclaw, and because 1) he stayed in ThunderClan for the most part and he never tried to take over the forest and 2) didn't do anything to really show how evil and powerful he was, he definitely doesn't rank very high up there.
Hawkfrost
Ugh, please excuse me while I puke. I hated Hawkfrost. It is disappointing that the son of the mighty Tigerstar turned out as such a horrible villain. First of all, he had basically NO personality. Even Darkstripe, who I consider to be the puniest villain, at least has a bit of personality. Hawkfrost was just sooo bland. He apparently had all this ambition, but we didn't see that enough in my opinion. Actually, I don't think he really posed that much of a threat. Sure, he was RiverClan's deputy, but he essentially STOLE it. The only thing that made me worry about him was how he was trying to convert Brambleclaw to the "dark side", but I knew it wouldn't happen anyway. I didn't have any fear or respect for him like I did Tigerstar and (kinda) Scourge. I don't understand why he's so popular. Hawkfrost is just too cliche and boring to really pique my bad-boy interest. He gets a BIG thumbs down from me. (although, his death was awesome <3 *loves how bloody and stuff it was*)
Brokenstar
Brokenstar was a pretty formidable villain IMO when he drove out WindClan, but as soon as he was blinded, his coolness kinda dropped and he became pathetic. It was interesting how when Tigerclaw and the rogues attacked, he joined in on the fight. I was soo glad when Yellowfang finally poisoned him though.
The Dogs
The dogs *shiver* scared the crap out of me, for the short time they appeared in the books. It was ominous and obvious, yet Bluestar was too insane too worry about it. The way Secrets of the Clans described Swiftpaw's death was really frightening, how they disfigured Brightpaw's face, and ultimately killed Bluestar... I liked their role. Unfortunately, they didn't have much intelligence, huh? But still... "Pack, pack. Kill, kill," was pretty darn cool.
*deep breath* Well, those are my opinions. Again, sorry if I forgot someone, but when I think of Warriors villains, these are the characters that pop into my mind. And I'm sorry if I offended anyone (especially Hawkfrost lovers, because I kinda bashed him the most... *coughcough*)
Tigerstar
Tigerstar gets my vote, definitely. He's just so evil. You just have to loathe him for all the things that he's done. <3 I mean, you have him introduced as this big, powerful, well respected deputy of ThunderClan (well, not deputy at first, but... you get the idea). Sure he comes across as being a jerk sometimes, but every cat just shrugs it off as being a personality trait because he's so well respected. Every cat except for Ravenpaw, Fireheart, and Graystripe, at least. He literally had every one fooled. It took a lot of evidence for Fireheart to finally exploit Tigerclaw for what he was; an evil cat who wanted to rule the forest more than anything, and was willing to connive and kill until he got there. And that's exactly what he did. He killed Redtail, tried to kill Ravenpaw for seeing him do it, tried to kill Bluestar and instead crippled Cinderpaw, murdered Runningwind, attempted assassination of Fireheart on different occasions, etc. etc. He was smart, clever, full of ingenuity, and made basically the whole of ThunderClan fear him. Once he became leader of ShadowClan, he even was able to act like a courteous, responsible leader for awhile, and again fooled everyone that his ambition went nothing beyond his desire to be Clan leader. At least for a little while. I doubt we will see a better villain than him. <333
Scourge
I'll admit, Scourge was creepy, and a decent villain, but still not comparable to Tigerclaw/star. He was bloodthirsty and marauding and all, and he DID take all of Tigerstar's nine lives away from him, which really gave me some respect for him. He is my second choice. But in the end, he wasn't in the forest for long enough, and his character wasn't as intriguing as I found Tigerclaw's to have been. Sorry, dude.
Darkstripe
I honestly don't know why I included him, but on another forum, I read that a lot of people consider Darkstripe to be one of the more formidable villains. I will have to disagree. Darkstripe is nothing but a simple crony to Tigerclaw, and because 1) he stayed in ThunderClan for the most part and he never tried to take over the forest and 2) didn't do anything to really show how evil and powerful he was, he definitely doesn't rank very high up there.
Hawkfrost
Ugh, please excuse me while I puke. I hated Hawkfrost. It is disappointing that the son of the mighty Tigerstar turned out as such a horrible villain. First of all, he had basically NO personality. Even Darkstripe, who I consider to be the puniest villain, at least has a bit of personality. Hawkfrost was just sooo bland. He apparently had all this ambition, but we didn't see that enough in my opinion. Actually, I don't think he really posed that much of a threat. Sure, he was RiverClan's deputy, but he essentially STOLE it. The only thing that made me worry about him was how he was trying to convert Brambleclaw to the "dark side", but I knew it wouldn't happen anyway. I didn't have any fear or respect for him like I did Tigerstar and (kinda) Scourge. I don't understand why he's so popular. Hawkfrost is just too cliche and boring to really pique my bad-boy interest. He gets a BIG thumbs down from me. (although, his death was awesome <3 *loves how bloody and stuff it was*)
Brokenstar
Brokenstar was a pretty formidable villain IMO when he drove out WindClan, but as soon as he was blinded, his coolness kinda dropped and he became pathetic. It was interesting how when Tigerclaw and the rogues attacked, he joined in on the fight. I was soo glad when Yellowfang finally poisoned him though.
The Dogs
The dogs *shiver* scared the crap out of me, for the short time they appeared in the books. It was ominous and obvious, yet Bluestar was too insane too worry about it. The way Secrets of the Clans described Swiftpaw's death was really frightening, how they disfigured Brightpaw's face, and ultimately killed Bluestar... I liked their role. Unfortunately, they didn't have much intelligence, huh? But still... "Pack, pack. Kill, kill," was pretty darn cool.
*deep breath* Well, those are my opinions. Again, sorry if I forgot someone, but when I think of Warriors villains, these are the characters that pop into my mind. And I'm sorry if I offended anyone (especially Hawkfrost lovers, because I kinda bashed him the most... *coughcough*)
) He is too cowardly to join Tigerstar and then he is loathed by the whole ThunderClan because he stayed. I don't think he's a big villain. (But was it he who tried to poison one of the kits [Was it Sorrelkit?] with the deathberries? If it was, then I'll take some of my speech back, but I haven't read the Warriors-books for a while so I apologize that I don't remember things clearly.)
Thanks, Marie!
Thanks, Rig!!! **hugs**